Osama is dead, my celebration cigar
May 2nd, 2011 by Aizuddin Danian
Its all over the news, Osama bin Laden has been killed. For me, it’s a cause for celebration because he gave Islam a bad reputation, his actions made people everywhere in the world think that Muslims are bad people, violent people. With him gone, hopefully, the wounds can now be healed, and the bridges start being rebuilt in earnest.
Wow, celebrating the (alledged) assasination (murder) of another human (WHO NEVER STOOD TRIAL!) by US personel in a foreign country!!!
How funny. Political propaganda just doesn’t come more ironic or disgusting (or conveniently timed).
Do you not think ‘we’ have far more problems than (or fleeting illusions of victory over) any manufactured ‘mascot’ of evil.
Smoke something stronger Aizuddin, you obviously need it, or you might sound like a Reality-challenged, war-weary, financially bankrupt, religiously monotone (and voting) American next blog!
As for (re-)building bridges… do you not get the joke yet?
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Hoping you and yours very well and happy (and look foward to more brilliant cigar reviews and blogs from you).
Have fun…
Byron,
Umm, you must have missed the videos of him claiming responsibility for all the attacks he orchestrated, including 9/11. And why he was doing it (in the name of Islam).
On your point about trials and assassination — the action against him was part of a declared war. In wars, combatants don’t get a chance to claim trial, unless of course they surrender which he didn’t.
Hey Aizuddin,
‘Umm, you must have missed the videos of him CLAIMING responsibility…’
No. I did not.
But I think you must have been soooo very busy beLIEving ‘something’ to miss using any of your own critical faculties.
In criminal law CLAIMS and ADMISSION mean very little without ALSO first establishing proper objectiveness, meaning, blameworthiness and guilt (ie, as best as possible, fully honest context of actual Reality determined by a randomly chosen and impartial jury).
Society has such an intricate and highly sophisticated system in place for very good reasons.
When any high profile murder(s) occur do you know how many claims of responsibility the police have to wade through?
Some people do so for ‘fun’. But more seriously any mentally ill person can claim (and honestly believe) they commited any outrageous act. So OBL posted a dodgy video on Youtube.. so what? I once posted a similar video claiming I had been responsible for killing off the dinosaurs.
I suppose you also believe (uncritically) Al-Qaeda actually exists (as a unified and cohesive, highly trained, highly funded underground network of highly motivated Terminators sent from the future and living next door – you know its true – and around the world… preparing, plotting, waiting and ready to strike)?
I really do not care what nonsense any desperate goon in the desert (or in high political office or media broadcast) comes up with.
Consider very carefully: ask a hundred teenage boys whether they ever claimed (bragged) to have slept with a girl (who they never did): I guess quite a reasonable percentage will have at some time told such a lie to their mates.
Why? For obvious reasons.
I did not ‘claim’ OBL did or did not do anything (because I simply do not know). I certainly did not comment on any terrorist act.
So many claims and then… another claim.
As for a declared ‘War’ on terror… don’t make me laugh. Amerika can ‘declare’ anything it likes. So? I didn’t actually think anyone (outside of Amerika and a handful of embarrassing drone countries) believes that phoney-baloney excuse and ever-so charismatic over-promoted catch-phrase.
No country can legally exercise its right to conduct War against another non-soveriegn State (ie, on an entity which does not actually exist). Why? Because the Rules of War simply require such a basic condition.
As far as I know ‘militant Islamists’ do not constitute their own legally defined soveriegn country (they exist as disparate groups/individuals sharing similar ideas) – therefore the very notion of declaring and conducting a (so called) War on Terror in another country (even to the point of fantasing about engaging enemy combatants) can not exist within any conventional context of War (outside of self-serving propaganda, business deals, political manipulation and misdirection, power-plays, buzzwords, clichés, media ratings, bizarre superficial and disturbing pathological notions of justice, easy to understand pre-packaged explanations and ABC notions of history which no one will believe in two hundred years time).
Conducting ‘something’ which many people want to consider ‘Warfare’ does not actually make it so (or vice-versa of course).
Besides, as far as my point about trials and assissination (state sanctioned covert murder), your retort relies on easily twisted and conveniently comforting loop-holes manufactured by (US) lawmakers in support of US foriegn policy.
When OBL sends some goons into America to mass-murder people (because it glorifies Islam in a holy war sanctioned by God’s Law) it constitutes a bad thing. When US goons covertly go into Pakistan (without that country’s awareness) and allegedly murder OBL (sanctioned by men’s law) it constitutes a good thing… as far as you believe – because this somehow offers a chance for Islam to benefit (through reconciliation in the western public mind); redemption, free-hugs and safe air travel all round!
However you choose to dress up such an act in polite and conforting legalese, MURDERING anyone (with or without trial) in the name of (or for the benefit of) any religion does not sound even remotely… er.., religious.
Or does it?
If you feel the need to celebrate (and tell the world about it), you go ahead and fantasize about whatever you like.
Byron, i take it you didn’t have any friends or relatives who were killed in the 9/11 attacks?
Well, neither did i. So why am i celebrating?
On radio this morning, a noted professor from NTU (Singapore’s top university) on political violence and terrorism gave his views on Osama’s death. While he conceded that Osama’s death will probably do nothing to reduce the acts of terrorism the world sees today, he agreed that Osama is directly responsible for thousands of deaths all around the world. Bali, North Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and most famously, NYC. Al-Qaeda funded, planned and executed all those attacks, and Osama bin Laden was its leader. You may believe (and you’re entitled to) that Al-Qaeda is just a boogeyman, conveniently blamed for these attacks, but the evidence is overwhelming that Osama’s organization was responsible for these attacks, even if we completely ignore the videos claiming responsibility. For example, the Bali bombers were trained and ideologically prepped by Al-Qaeda. This is a matter of public record, and was revealed during official trials and investigations.
So, here we have a man, responsible for a lot of international death and destruction, an icon of extremist Muslim terrorism — as the victim of a lot of that violence, the USA has a right to protect itself from it, and removing Osama, while probably will do little in the long run, is a moral victory for them.
From an Islamic perspective, if you want to be strict about it, the Quran has provisions for war and combat. What Osama did, killing innocents and non-combatants, is certainly against Islamic law, and punishable by death. The fact that he claimed to doing what he did for Islam, and in using Islam as a political tool to further violence, really hurt Muslims everywhere, if not physically, certainly spiritually.
on a lighter note. what cigar is that bro?
Cohiba Robusto, 2009.
Byron, i take it you didn’t have any friends or relatives who were killed in the 9/11 attacks?
What a dumb thing to say (and of absolutely no relevance whatsoever, at all, in any way).
So what if I did? Really, so what! I did not make any comment about those events. Do not try manipulating a discusion using my emotions against me.
However, if anyone commits a crime against my friends or family and a suspect becomes available (for legal proceedings to take place):- then I would expect a fair and honest trial according to criminal/international law.
This is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD, and was revealed during OFFICIAL TRIALS and INVESTIGATIONS.
You’re funny.
I suppose (in that case) you uncritically beLIEve in (for instance) the Warren Commission Report?
Faith and Religion, Politics and Propaganda: just keep repeating the same thing loudly enough and over and over again until (you hope) everyone else has joined in (and beLIEves it) too.
And if they do not? Well you can just shoot them.
Contrary to initial reports OBL had not been armed when when US goons killed him (so much for ‘enemy combatant’), neither does he appear at all like the mythological mighty figure in charge of a global network of brainwashed bastards; no, he appears exactly like the sad decrepid old man that he really was.
Of course everyone knows the Americans (CIA) created, trained and funded Osama Bin Laden. Can you imagine how delicious that trial would have been (had they not killed him… and they so easily could have arrested him – fighting an unarmed invalid, lol)?
And EVEN IF, (which you have virtually no credible, verifiable, objectively qualified or meaningful evidence for) that OBL (Al-Qaeda – because it simply doesn’t exist within the context that you want it to, – or even Muslims) had anything to do with 9/11 (or to the degree or context that you want to believe), they certainly did not do so using Islam as a political tool to further violence. That atrocity did not serve as a vehicle to kill anyone: killing those thousands of people was not the purpose or goal or reason for what happened (and you have missed the point if you think it had). But then you (obviously) believe what the TV/newspapers/radio tells you (so why bother?).
As per Islam killing innocents and non-combatants?
Fight and kill the disbelievers (and you’re entitled to!) where ever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. Qur’an:9:88
The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “Their women and children are from them.” Bukhari:V4B52N256
Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them. Qur’an:7:3
The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill ANY Jew who falls under your power.” Tabari VII:97
Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 900 (pubescent) boys and men. Ishaq:464
Just issue orders to kill EVERY Jew in the country. Bukhari:V1B1N6
No woman of Banu Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so—and—so? I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. [Aisha] said: The man took her and beheaded her. [Aisha] said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed. Bukhari 466
Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight NOT CARING whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace. Ishaq:587
Also among those eliminated were Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl and Sarah, a slave of one of Abd Muttalib’s sons. She taunted Muhammad while he was in Mecca. Tabari VIII:180
Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his…. His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa’id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her. Tabari VIII:179, Ishaq:550
“You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?” Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, “Will no one rid me of this woman?” Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, “You have helped Allah and His Apostle.” Umayr said. “She had five sons; should I feel guilty?” “No.” the Prophet answered, “Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.” Ishaq: 676
I think you stand corrected, whilst everyone else (and maybe even yourself?) stands disgusted.
From an Islamic perspective, if you want to be strict about it…
No, I do not.